Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Jun 15, 2016 12:20:51 GMT -5
I wanted to bump this thread, because I think it's becoming relevant to look at this again.
Last year's auction was fun, and the methodology works fine. There's no need to tweak it. But last year there was significantly more talent to go around then this year. This year the crop is just AWFUL, it's terrible compared to the actual NHL crop of free agents, and it's due to teams being able to re-sign way too many players.
Wolf last year suggested 3 re-signs per team, which is a number I consider a good point. Everybody gets to keep a guy you absolutely can't do without, but some talent goes into free agency. There were quite a few teams that retained way more than 3 UFAs, and that basically ruined the UFA crop for this season.
A glance shows that a few teams had more than 3 re-signs: Buffalo: 6 Columbus: 4 Washington: 6 Edmonton: 7! San Jose: 4 (4 actually works though, because Joe is keeping 4 guys he can't do without and letting 4 walk) Florida: 3 (but TWO goalies) Islanders: 5
If you look at the teams that kept 3 guys, it did not harm them one bit whatsoever, and they let go guys that made the UFA pool better. Chicago IMO is the best example. 2 depth D, a guy he can't do without (Phil), and I'm pretty sure some other guys made it into UFA. Retaining 6 to 7 UFAs is just not necessary.
I think we should take a look at this rule proposal again. 3 Max in-season UFA retentions, and I'd suggest only 1 goalie as well.
Btw, I'm not calling any teams out, I'm just saying 7 UFAs retained leans on the side of excessive.
Post by Edmonton Oilers on Jun 15, 2016 12:35:10 GMT -5
I signed 7 guy, boo hoo.. I signed 5 UFA's which was well within my right in Okposo, Atkinson, Komarov, a 4th line center in byron and a backup goalie in Hammond. The rest were Rfa's.
Our objective in resingings is not to send the guy to unrestricted free agency. its to get the best deal possible. I don't agree with any restrictions on signings players. There are other avenues to get players as well. Free agency is not the be all end all. If a team is willing to offer a good enough salary during the season why is that bad? Why is it not necessary. I own these players so I should be able to keep said players if I have the necessary cap space. We arent going to knock it out of the park with UFA's every year. Its simple. If I go out of my way to acquire a player it should be well within my right to resign them without restrictions. This will also affect the trade market negatively in my opinion as the trade prices for unrestricted free agency will go down.
I signed 7 guy, boo hoo.. I signed 5 UFA's which was well within my right in Okposo, Atkinson, Komarov, a 4th line center in byron and a backup goalie in Hammond. The rest were Rfa's.
No, you signed 7 UFAs. I didn't closely look at the players you retained, but I hit "find" and "edmonton" in the re-signing post and your team came up SEVEN times. The number is not "5", it's "7".
Our objective in resingings is not to send the guy to unrestricted free agency. its to get the best deal possible.
Best deals usually happen with multiple bidders, so your logic does not apply.
This will also affect the trade market negatively in my opinion as the trade prices for unrestricted free agency will go down.
How is this a bad thing? it doesn't make it unfair for anybody.
I signed 7 guy, boo hoo.. I signed 5 UFA's which was well within my right in Okposo, Atkinson, Komarov, a 4th line center in byron and a backup goalie in Hammond. The rest were Rfa's.
No, you signed 7 UFAs. I didn't closely look at the players you retained, but I hit "find" and "edmonton" in the re-signing post and your team came up SEVEN times. The number is not "5", it's "7".
Our objective in resingings is not to send the guy to unrestricted free agency. its to get the best deal possible.
Best deals usually happen with multiple bidders, so your logic does not apply.
This will also affect the trade market negatively in my opinion as the trade prices for unrestricted free agency will go down.
How is this a bad thing? it doesn't make it unfair for anybody.
whats the problem if i signed some 4th line players to contracts.
our objective in free agency during the season is to get the fairest deal possible. sorry. it is not out objective to send players to free agency that's what I meant to say.
either way im not for any restrictions. its well within my right to do as i please with any players I own and traded pieces to acquire. we aren;t going to knock it out of the park every year. the good gm's always find different avenues to get better.
B) The inherent problem with how Free Agency is run is that those doing the negotiating on behalf of the players, the agents, are one and the same with those the players are negotiating with, we are also GMs. That puts the staff at a HUGE disadvantage in open market negotiation. We have the advantage of seeing everyone's offers on every players, but it would not be morally right or fair to take advantage of that information.
The disadvantage comes in because, once that is done, we can't do any more. If a regular GM loses out on a player they wanted, they can then turn to their plan B, up their offer or submit a new offer to try to make up for the loss of the guy you were hoping to sign. The agents can't do this because we already know what the best offer is and could technically offer just a 100k more to get the player. Again, not fair to everyone else who does not have this info. So when we strike out, we can't change our plan. I have seen many a free agent sign for less then what I would have offered them, but I couldn't make them that offer because I had seen everyone else's offers.
Any move to increase the amount of players that go to free agency would increase the disadvantage towards the staff. Unless the way contracts were negotiated change, I can see a couple of staff members stepping down so that their teams are not additionally handicapped. .
Well, I guess this is no longer an obstacle, now that the open UFA bidding has made the process fair for everybody.
B) The inherent problem with how Free Agency is run is that those doing the negotiating on behalf of the players, the agents, are one and the same with those the players are negotiating with, we are also GMs. That puts the staff at a HUGE disadvantage in open market negotiation. We have the advantage of seeing everyone's offers on every players, but it would not be morally right or fair to take advantage of that information.
The disadvantage comes in because, once that is done, we can't do any more. If a regular GM loses out on a player they wanted, they can then turn to their plan B, up their offer or submit a new offer to try to make up for the loss of the guy you were hoping to sign. The agents can't do this because we already know what the best offer is and could technically offer just a 100k more to get the player. Again, not fair to everyone else who does not have this info. So when we strike out, we can't change our plan. I have seen many a free agent sign for less then what I would have offered them, but I couldn't make them that offer because I had seen everyone else's offers.
Any move to increase the amount of players that go to free agency would increase the disadvantage towards the staff. Unless the way contracts were negotiated change, I can see a couple of staff members stepping down so that their teams are not additionally handicapped. .
Well, I guess this is no longer an obstacle, now that the open UFA bidding has made the process fair for everybody.
me being a staff member has nothing to do with this. I just don't like the idea. simple. I should be able to decide my players fates. plus the agents have made it harder to resign players. its the teams that decide to sign them
Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Jun 15, 2016 12:56:11 GMT -5
I.... I'm still in favour of the 3 re-sign limit proposal. It makes everything as realistic as possible. And we strive for realism. There's no team in the NHL that re-signs all their UFA's. Ever.
I.... I'm still in favour of the 3 re-sign limit proposal. It makes everything as realistic as possible. And we strive for realism. There's no team in the NHL that re-signs all their UFA's. Ever.
Lots of teams do. The realistic thing is letting teams decide what to do with theirtheir own players.
I.... I'm still in favour of the 3 re-sign limit proposal. It makes everything as realistic as possible. And we strive for realism. There's no team in the NHL that re-signs all their UFA's. Ever.
Lots of teams do. The realistic thing is letting teams decide what to do with theirtheir own players.
In the NHL, teams don't really get to decide if their UFAs want to sign with them or not....
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