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Post by Andre Deblois on Jun 15, 2016 14:06:54 GMT -5
I.... I'm still in favour of the 3 re-sign limit proposal. It makes everything as realistic as possible. And we strive for realism. There's no team in the NHL that re-signs all their UFA's. Ever. Completely and utterly false. There is no arbitrary barrier limiting how many free agents an NHL team can sign so creating one here does not make things more realistic, it makes it less so. There is a mechanism in place to limit the amount of free agents a team can sign, and that is the salary cap. Teams that manage their cap properly and can afford to re-sign all of their players should not be punished and not be allowed to do so in order to increase the talent pool available in free agency. Period. The purpose of Free Agency is not to redistribute talent throughout the league. This is not a socialist state. The purpose of free agency is mechanism through which players may negotiate a new contract when they are unable to come to terms with their current team. If there is an appetite from across the league to generate to a better talent pool for free agency there are other ways of doing it, whether it is by asking the agents to be more aggressive in negotiations with the players (but then dont come bitching to us when you can't sign your players), by limiting the ways we cheat the cap system (buyouts, held salary...etc) or by lowering the cap, but to put arbitrary limits on the amount of players a team can re-sign is asinine. |
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Post by Chicago Blackhawks on Jun 15, 2016 14:20:15 GMT -5
I know that this idea would take alot of work, and maybe it would be asking too much work, too confusing.
Have a roll of the dice for every potential free agent in the staff board at the beginning of the year to decide their future.
For example Rolling a 1 Could mean resigning with a home town discount of 10%, Rolling a 2 Could mean resigning with a home town discount of 5%, rolling a 3 meaning resigning with the team at market value, rolling a 4 meaning resigning at 5% more then market value, rolling a 5 meaning resigning at 10% of market value, rolling a 6 where the player would want to test the market. (Or using an online sites to alter the odds.)
You could even set it up to get rid of the discrepancy in different salaries by pooling different caliber players.
For example: Player A had an 80 point (NHL) season. He could have a set salary of 8.0 million per. (and depending on the roll of the dice add applicable salary discount/increases.)
Player B had a 60 point (NHL) season. he could have a set salary of 6.0 million. (and depending on the roll of the dice add applicable salary discount/increases.)
We could come up with some sort of system to classify player pools other then strictly on points.
Obviously giving the gm the opportunity to accept / deny the offer would be a must.
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Jun 15, 2016 14:34:13 GMT -5
I know that this idea would take alot of work, and maybe it would be asking too much work, too confusing. Have a roll of the dice for every potential free agent in the staff board at the beginning of the year to decide their future. For example Rolling a 1 Could mean resigning with a home town discount of 10%, Rolling a 2 Could mean resigning with a home town discount of 5%, rolling a 3 meaning resigning with the team at market value, rolling a 4 meaning resigning at 5% more then market value, rolling a 5 meaning resigning at 10% of market value, rolling a 6 where the player would want to test the market. (Or using an online sites to alter the odds.) You could even set it up to get rid of the discrepancy in different salaries by pooling different caliber players. For example: Player A had an 80 point (NHL) season. He could have a set salary of 8.0 million per. (and depending on the roll of the dice add applicable salary discount/increases.) Player B had a 60 point (NHL) season. he could have a set salary of 6.0 million. (and depending on the roll of the dice add applicable salary discount/increases.) We could come up with some sort of system to classify player pools other then strictly on points. Obviously giving the gm the opportunity to accept / deny the offer would be a must. I'd rather not leave anything to chance. defeats the purpose of this kind of league. out of the box idea though. |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Jun 15, 2016 18:00:46 GMT -5
I.... I'm still in favour of the 3 re-sign limit proposal. It makes everything as realistic as possible. And we strive for realism. There's no team in the NHL that re-signs all their UFA's. Ever. Completely and utterly false. There is no arbitrary barrier limiting how many free agents an NHL team can sign so creating one here does not make things more realistic, it makes it less so. There is a mechanism in place to limit the amount of free agents a team can sign, and that is the salary cap. Teams that manage their cap properly and can afford to re-sign all of their players should not be punished and not be allowed to do so in order to increase the talent pool available in free agency. Period. The purpose of Free Agency is not to redistribute talent throughout the league. This is not a socialist state. The purpose of free agency is mechanism through which players may negotiate a new contract when they are unable to come to terms with their current team. The the NHL/VHL is not a complete capitalist free market either, otherwise like you said things like the draft, salary cap, and other "market regulations" wouldn't exist either. Unrestricted free agency is the most "free market" and the least "socialist" mechanism in the game! Everything else is part of the "socialist' state of the NHL/VHL. Edit: unrestricted free agency does re-distribute talent around the league partially via salary cap, but it's also has the purpose of generating activity and fun. I would argue a healthy and vibrant unrestricted free agency is good for the league overall. |
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Post by Dallas Stars on Jun 15, 2016 18:59:44 GMT -5
In the cap league that I run we have it so that the bottom 10 teams can sign 6 free agents middle 10 can sign 5 free agents and the top 10 teams can sign 4 free agents based on the standings.
If you were to go that route you could do a 5-4-3 system for signings since in our league our UFA age begins at 25.
This is just an idea obviously to throw out there.
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Post by Andre Deblois on Jun 15, 2016 19:05:48 GMT -5
]The the NHL/VHL is not a complete capitalist free market either, otherwise like you said things like the draft, salary cap, and other "market regulations" wouldn't exist either. Unrestricted free agency is the most "free market" and the least "socialist" mechanism in the game! Everything else is part of the "socialist' state of the NHL/VHL. Edit: unrestricted free agency does re-distribute talent around the league partially via salary cap, but it's also has the purpose of generating activity and fun. I would argue a healthy and vibrant unrestricted free agency is good for the league overall. The re-distribution of talent is a by-product, not a goal, of free agency. While it cannot be argued that free agency, in and of itself, is a free market system, the whining about the lack of available talent and the attempts to increase the amount of players who make it to market through arbitrary quotas is purposefully to re-distribute talent. That is not what free agency is about. My main beef is with the claim that limiting the amount of re-signs available to teams is somehow more realistic and more like the NHL then our current system which is completely false. You are free to think what you will about the effect increased free agency will have on the league, but I am inclined to believe that if teams are unable to help themselves through free agency, they won't just sit on their hands and chose not to improve their teams, but would instead focus their attention on the trade market. I don't know about you, but engaging in trade negotiations is much more fun for me then placing a bid on a player and waiting days for it to either be declared the top bid or to see it be surpassed. Furthermore, we've proven time and time again that we can't control ourselves (collectively) when Free Agency hits... is having more Bobby Ryans and more Iginlas and Doans (signed into their early 40s) the answer. Those are types of contracts that become albatrosses to franchises. Sometimes the Free Market needs to be regulated. Imagine how much worse the bidding would be if all 30 teams could afford to bid on the few players worth having (since they'll have caps space to bid since they couldn't sign all of their players). |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Jun 15, 2016 19:12:04 GMT -5
In the cap league that I run we have it so that the bottom 10 teams can sign 6 free agents middle 10 can sign 5 free agents and the top 10 teams can sign 4 free agents based on the standings. If you were to go that route you could do a 5-4-3 system for signings since in our league our UFA age begins at 25. This is just an idea obviously to throw out there. while this is a decent idea what kind of signing window do you have. as standings change throughout the system. problem I have with this idea is that you're essentially punishing good gms for having good teams. |
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Post by Dallas Stars on Jun 15, 2016 19:14:25 GMT -5
In the cap league that I run we have it so that the bottom 10 teams can sign 6 free agents middle 10 can sign 5 free agents and the top 10 teams can sign 4 free agents based on the standings. If you were to go that route you could do a 5-4-3 system for signings since in our league our UFA age begins at 25. This is just an idea obviously to throw out there. while this is a decent idea what kind of signing window do you have. as standings change throughout the system Basically everyone is able to sign a max of 4 free agents Mid-Season and then if you are either in the bottom 10 or middle 10 you were allowed to sign your 5th or 6th signing before the Free Agent Draft took place. However, starting next season we are eliminating mid-season signings and creating a free agent signing window that will take place when playoffs begin and until either 1 week or 2weeks prior to the Entry Draft |
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Post by Andre Deblois on Jun 15, 2016 19:23:23 GMT -5
while this is a decent idea what kind of signing window do you have. as standings change throughout the system Basically everyone is able to sign a max of 4 free agents Mid-Season and then if you are either in the bottom 10 or middle 10 you were allowed to sign your 5th or 6th signing before the Free Agent Draft took place. However, starting next season we are eliminating mid-season signings and creating a free agent signing window that will take place when playoffs begin and until either 1 week or 2weeks prior to the Entry Draft This would not be able to be translated directly to our league. Negotiated contracts require a much longer window then the automatic NHL extensions used in the OGSHL. |
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Post by Dallas Stars on Jun 15, 2016 19:28:13 GMT -5
Basically everyone is able to sign a max of 4 free agents Mid-Season and then if you are either in the bottom 10 or middle 10 you were allowed to sign your 5th or 6th signing before the Free Agent Draft took place. However, starting next season we are eliminating mid-season signings and creating a free agent signing window that will take place when playoffs begin and until either 1 week or 2weeks prior to the Entry Draft This would not be able to be translated directly to our league. Negotiated contracts require a much longer window then the automatic NHL extensions used in the OGSHL. Yeah that's the only problem I would see with having a signing window, unless you create that window from the day after the trade deadline ends. Would allow people to still do things while their teams are not in the playoffs? One other thing that we do which might be beneficial here is allowing people to trade as soon as playoffs begin. All trades would be pending trades and would not officially be processed until the window opens. However this allows GMs to talk trades and have them posted on the site rather than having a bit of a dead zone. I personally view trading as one of the most enjoyable aspects of the sim leagues and being able to trade almost all year round is quite enjoyable |
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