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Post by Corey Scott on Mar 11, 2015 12:11:25 GMT -5
If that is the way people go with this then I am completely out of this as being a good idea. Short times periods like that will ruin this.
If you want people released in waves, fine, but you don't need a time limit on those waves. People are going to realize pretty quickly if they can or cannot afford a player and then they can move on just like teams do in the NHL. No need to put a time limit on each wave. If teams miss out on a 2nd tier player because they were so focused on the first tier, then that is their loss.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Mar 11, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5
I don't understand why we even need "waves", once July 1st hits, people start making offers for free agents. The hottest guys get big offers in the beginning, second tier guys get signed later, and seomtimes the odd 2nd/3rd tier guy signs early.
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Post by Aaron Brown on Mar 11, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -5
I don't see why you can't have a hybrid rule whereby any bid within the last 12 hours of a signing window extends the window by 12 hours to prevent sniping.
The more I think about this, the more I like it over our current system.
This plus capping UFA re-signs at 2 per team would create more player movement I think.
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Mar 11, 2015 12:22:56 GMT -5
I don't see why you can't have a hybrid rule whereby any bid within the last 12 hours of a signing window extends the window by 12 hours to prevent sniping. . I HAVE THAT RULE!!!! Nobody gets signed to any offer until no higher bid comes in for 24 hours. Or do you mean at the end? At the end, no extnesions, free agency just finishes. There won't be any "sniping" because GMs won't accidnetally want to go over time and not end up making a valid offer at all. So like i said, the last 12 hours gets CRAZYYY |
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Mar 11, 2015 12:59:23 GMT -5
In a cash sim league I am in, we have a UFA bidding system in the summer as well, but it's a bit different then what TB proposed.
In the other league I'm in, it's actually a whole hell a lot of fun, and I love free agency there more than any other league I've been apart of.
In the summer every UFA hits free agency automatically. Every pending UFA gets their own thread created on the board, and then GMs are welcome to place bids on the players. However!
There are a few rules that allow it to function the way it does. No team is allowed more than 3 current winning bids on a player. This prevents teams from outbidding on a ton of players at once. If you have 3 current winning bids, you're not allowed to bid on another player. If you then get outbid on one of your winning bids, you're allowed to use that bid on the same player or use it on another player.
When you place a bid, it also has to be a curtain amount of percent higher than the previous bid.
And lastly, your bid has to be the winning bid for 48 HOURS before that player signs with your team. Giving the other 29 teams an open window to outbid you.
This method is extremely fun, and it creates a plethora of ongoing activity throughout the summer as all the free agents slowly get signed to teams.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:39:24 GMT -5
Free agency is pretty much an auction now, with a bit of judgement, this would just open it up.
Only problem is, which of the following offers wins:
5 years at 4 mil per
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4 years at 4.5 mil per
Higher total or higher cap hit?
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Mar 11, 2015 13:44:37 GMT -5
Higher total would make the most sense. In the other league I am in that does an auction, it is always the higher total salary that wins.
So the 5 years @ 4 million would win in that case since it = 20 mil
4 @ 4.5 = 18
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:49:48 GMT -5
That will lead to a ton of 5-year deals, especially for older players, and fewer players in FA each year.
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Post by Andre Deblois on Mar 11, 2015 15:51:25 GMT -5
If that is the way people go with this then I am completely out of this as being a good idea. Short times periods like that will ruin this. If you want people released in waves, fine, but you don't need a time limit on those waves. People are going to realize pretty quickly if they can or cannot afford a player and then they can move on just like teams do in the NHL. No need to put a time limit on each wave. If teams miss out on a 2nd tier player because they were so focused on the first tier, then that is their loss. The purpose of the waves is not the release of the free agents, but for the signings, so that the 3rd best center does not sign before the best and 2nd best, leaving money on the table. It's all well to say that it's a team's loss if they miss out on a 2nd tier player because they were focused on the first tier, and I couldn't care less about the teams, but why would the player sign a deal knowing that if he were to wait he could likely get one or more richer offers if he waited until the big fish sign? That's not the team's loss, that's the player's loss. That is the reason for the waves. The length of the period can be negotiated, but fundamentally if we don't have different waves and deadlines this will not work. Hypothetically, if we say that a player will sign a deal once the bid has not been beaten for 24 or 48 hours, we'll see a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier players sign for less because everyone is going to be bickering over the top guys. Those auctions will go on and on as there is more interest in them, then a couple of savvy GMs will come in an sign so below the radar free agents for cheaper then they should. I understand your point of view, it's in the best interest of the GM to think that way, but it's not in the best interest of the player, so I am not sure I can get behind that idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 16:30:11 GMT -5
This bidding idea is what I have seen done in another league and it's by far the most fun way to do it as far as I am concerned. Would LOVE to see this done here.
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