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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Oct 25, 2020 13:44:12 GMT -5
so going back on the James Hardie ruling.. I'm still not totally understanding what wording allows for undrafted player to be drafted in VHL.. This is what I had read prior to making my list: Prospect List Eligibility 1.1 The Prospect List can be changed at any time during the season or off-season. Any prospect can come from any league worldwide provided the prospect is beyond their NHL draft eligibility and not protected by another team. No player may be claimed as a prospect until the player has been either: (1) drafted by a NHL team; (2) signed by a NHL team; (3) or has reached the age of twenty-one (21) which is the moment they are no longer draft eligible. so from reading that if seems pretty clear cut (to me) that no one under 21 can be a prospect unless their rights are owned by an NHL team. If the Hardie add stands I think its fair I have the opportunity to add a 20yr old undrafted prospect I removed from my list because he also went undrafted and I was under the impression I was therefor nit allowed to add him. Hmm. Are you referring to Buffalos claim of Pavel Gogolev? Cause James Hardie is 18 and makes your argument null. Gogolev however... |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Oct 25, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
the rule states that players can be drafted as long as draft eligible......
it also states that players cannot be added through waiver draft or prospects until passed over the 2nd time by nhl teams.
The player I added was draft eligible for 2 if not 3 years and remained undrafted. he is eligible to be added while Hardie has only been eligible for 1 draft. he could have been added by you using a pick like a 3rd rounder. but once the draft was complete he isn't eligible until either next years draft or beyond that can be freely added
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 14:14:02 GMT -5
how does Hardie being 18 negate my point? He doesn't fit any of the requirements to be a prospect.
He's not drafted (1)
His rights aren't owned by an NHL team (2)
He's not yet 21 (3)
Isn't that 3 for 3 saying that James Hardie cannot be a prospect in VHL?
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Oct 25, 2020 14:16:12 GMT -5
how does Hardie being 18 negate my point? He doesn't fit any of the requirements to be a prospect. He's not drafted (1) His rights aren't owned by an NHL team (2) He's not yet 21 (3) Isn't that 3 for 3 saying that James Hardie cannot be a prospect in VHL? Yes. I am confused. The Hardie claim did not go through due to its invalidity, if that is what you're inquiring about? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 14:21:26 GMT -5
Ok.. Nevermind then i thought the ruling was that that addition went through
Although.. Now I'm also not understanding why the same wouldn't apply to Gogolev
If there are rules that state a player cannot be a prospect at all in VHL than how can they be drafted and go straight to being a prospect?
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Post by Calgary Flames on Oct 25, 2020 14:21:35 GMT -5
#ProspectGate
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Oct 25, 2020 14:30:58 GMT -5
Ok.. Nevermind then i thought the ruling was that that addition went through Although.. Now I'm also not understanding why the same wouldn't apply to Gogolev If there are rules that state a player cannot be a prospect at all in VHL than how can they be drafted and go straight to being a prospect? |
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Oct 25, 2020 14:36:02 GMT -5
I think some adjustments to the rulebook to clear it up are in order.
The ruling here.
"- However, if a player goes undrafted in both the NHL and VHL Entry Drafts in their first year of eligibility, those players will re-enter the following VHL Entry Draft and cannot be claimed until said draft has concluded. At that point, they can be claimed in the subsequent Waiver Draft and through regular prospect claims, in that order. "
Gogolev was passed over in the last couple drafts and re-entered the following VHL Entry Draft (2020) and was passed over again - although eligible to be claimed in the subsequent waiver draft.
So basically if they are passed over in NHL draft, they can be claimed in the following year in VHL, granted they were also passed over in the VHL draft.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 14:38:43 GMT -5
forgive me, I'm really not trying to be difficult but I just don't see anything in that thread that says we can draft players that don't fulfill the prospect requirements.. Like to be 'draft eligible' doesn't a player have to fulfill the requirements I posted?
From my understanding it seems like Gogolev has never been eligible to be a prospect in VHL as he's never fulfilled any of the 3 requirements. Therefore how can he be draft eligible?
Again I'm really not trying to be difficult just trying to understand.
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers on Oct 25, 2020 14:43:39 GMT -5
forgive me, I'm really not trying to be difficult but I just don't see anything in that thread that says we can draft players that don't fulfill the prospect requirements.. Like to be 'draft eligible' doesn't a player have to fulfill the requirements I posted? From my understanding it seems like Gogolev has never been eligible to be a prospect in VHL as he's never fulfilled any of the 3 requirements. Therefore how can he be draft eligible? Again I'm really not trying to be difficult just trying to understand. Admittedly, the wording is confusing. Even when I saw Buffalo claim Gogolev, I had to do some research to see if it was valid. The current rules in place, 1) Must have their rights owned by an NHL team 2) Past draft eligibility and there should be a 3rd one listed 3) Has been passed over in the NHL draft and 1 calendar year and subsequent draft has concluded (passed over twice) Because since the NHL draft always happens before the VHL, basically if they are passed over twice in NHL, they can be drafted/added in the VHL So Gogolev hits that grey area of being under 21 but being eligible to be claimed. |
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